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Too Cool; the 1-23

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:06 pm
by Charles Petersen

Re: Too Cool; the 1-23

Posted: Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:45 pm
by Tim Wood
Hi Charles, This flight sequence has been credited with a jump in the number of glider pilots participating in the sport in the period that followed.
YSA owned a Schweitzer 123 for a number of years. It was capable of modest cross country flights. On the initial take-off roll it was hard to see forward until the tail lifted off the ground. Just like the WW2 cartoon character Chad "what no fags (cigarets)"
Cheers, Tim

Re: Too Cool; the 1-23

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:43 am
by James Kingdon
I never felt comfortable in the 1-23, it felt very nervous in flight as if it was always on the edge of dropping a wing. It's possible I was flying it too close to the aft CG limit - I didn't do enough flights in it to experiment with different loading.

Re: Too Cool; the 1-23

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:33 am
by Charles Petersen
Well, I weighed less then, - 1999, but I suspect I still outweighed you then. But, one of York's 1-23's, KJT, was my ride for my Silver Badge in 1999, the year after I got my licence. It is still a favourite, and I can remember well my shock and delight at the difference from the 1-26's: if you put the nose down, the real estate slid by under you faster instead of just getting closer. It had good feedback so I could 'feel' the air' and I loved it. But it also had a low max pilot weight and was unsuitable for too many of today's pilots. Fondly missed...

Re: Too Cool; the 1-23

Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:42 pm
by don kuehn
When I first joined YSA and was doing my obligatory progression through the fleet, I took one of them up (which ever one I could still fit into weight wise). I already had several hours in the one COSA owned for a while. After landing Richard Sawyer asked me how I liked it. I said "It's nice, flies a little better than the one COSA has, and it spins really well." Richard..."You spun the 1-23!?" Me..."I did." Richard...."Nobody is supposed to do that" Me...…"Well, no one told me not to." Richard...…."It spins really well, huh." Me....."Yep."

Re: Too Cool; the 1-23

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:04 pm
by Rainer Zimm
Son Erich spun KJT inadvertently while I was watching from the ground as was Dave McKenzie back in the summer of 2002. Afterwards we asked Erich if that was him that we observed. He said yes is was...as he was thermally close to stall at 4300 ft. when it "let go". He did 2 1'2 spins before recovery. Good thing YSA takes spin training seriously. Piece of cake according to Erich who was 16 years young at the time and enjoying a summer at YSA hang'in with the Air Cadet crowd.

I think KJT had some "issues" after being broken a few times... years before. Just say'in ~

Re: Too Cool; the 1-23

Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:13 pm
by Tim Wood
KJT taught me an early lesson about the Lake Huron lake front sometime around 1975. I was attempting an FAI 300 km triangle and chose Goderich as my second TP. Bad mistake right there. On the day in question I had to penetrate the lake front to reach my TP. Baffled by the incomprehensible geometry of the situation, I never reconnected with the booming thermals above me after rounding the turn point. As I waited for a retrieve, sitting in a farmer's field on the cold side of the front, I contemplated my folly and ate the mandatory slice of humble pie. Several lessons: mainly, don't choose turnpoints on the wrong side of a lake front, or away from the lift that you based the flight on. Second, understand how the lake front works. Then it becomes a wonderful assist on cross country flights. Third: Steak dinners all round for the rescuers. They are worth it.
Tim Wood

Re: Too Cool; the 1-23

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 1:47 pm
by Rainer Zimm
INDEED they are!.... "BURP"

Re: Too Cool; the 1-23

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 3:08 pm
by Charles Petersen
You still owe me a couple of steaks Tim 😁

Re: Too Cool; the 1-23

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 5:29 pm
by Tim Wood
Name the date Charles, Pick the place, I would be glad to deliver.
Cheers, Tim

Re: Too Cool; the 1-23

Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:00 pm
by Charles Petersen
Well, with the whole summer ahead of us, let's do it...